McCARTHY AND PATRICK WHITE

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  • 22 Aug 2014 at 1:29 pm #5774

    Peter Josyph
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    I found it curious that at the recent CORMAC McCARTHY: BORDERS AND LANDSCAPES conference at the University of Western Sydney, the two superb talks linking McCarthy with Australia’s Nobel Prize-winning author were given by Rick Wallach, who, however unique and in love with Australia, is still every bit an American; and Jan Nordby Gretlund, who is from Denmark. White having been born in Knightsbridge, London and educated at Cambridge might have suggested that one of our speakers from the UK might have tackled the subject, but no, there was only Rick and Jan, neither of whom would have condoned the suggestion that perhaps the alleged links between these authors were tenuous.

    Is it simply that White is out of favor in the Australian academy? Or, has he been so much in favor that no Australian wanted to write about him at a McCarthy conference?

    Both talks have led me to wonder to what degree McCarthy has read White, and whether or not he admires (or once admired) White’s work. I am also wondering about the critical literature coming out of Australia about McCarthy. Has it proposed profound connections to White similar to those presented by Rick and Jan?

    Finally, I wonder why these two masters haven’t been much linked in the collections I have read over the last decades. If what they have in common is as apparent as Rick and Jan would have us believe, why is it a field so little explored? I have heard McCarthy linked to, or with, practically everyone and everything under the sun, seldom to Patrick White. Has it, in fact, been happening and I have simply missed it?


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    26 Aug 2014 at 1:28 pm #5780

    Candy Minx
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    Great questions. So nice to see you here Peter! I have found very few acquaintances of mine who have read White, period. I have read him…because of the many times Rick has mentioned him as a must read for McCarthy fans…and in general.


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    28 Aug 2014 at 10:31 am #5788

    Peter Josyph
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    Perhaps Lord Wallach can be briefly pried from his immersive duties at Casebook Enterprises to expound on the seeming vacuum in White associations amongst Australians and other enthusiastic readers of McCarthy…


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    06 Sep 2014 at 8:42 pm #5826

    Rick Wallach
    Keymaster

    Lord Wallach has been nose-down in editing the Road casebook, Carrying the Fire, tearing out what little hair he still has left over the seeming inability of local artisans to get the arc of text around the Judge Holden illustration on the new batch of T-shirts right (we hope we’ll have the corrected ones next week, finally) and finishing up the complete first draft of his opus maximus, The Songs of their Climate, about the lyrics and music of the Cowboy Junkies, by this fall.

    But he promises to jimmy loose some time to respond to this very trenchant issue about why there’s been so little discursive traffic between McCarthy’s work and White’s. Back in Sydney Jan Norby and I were having one of those bitter laughs about how quickly and easily we discerned the relationship and how frustrating it is that no one else seems to have. I’ll try to answer this later this week.


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    09 Sep 2014 at 10:40 am #5840

    Peter Josyph
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    Surely out of the millions… well, thousands… well, hundreds… well, scores… well, handful of avid or even rabid frequenters of this Forum, there has to be at least one more than m’Lord Wallach who can help me out here?

    The ubiquitous Glass, who appears to have read everything ever written that is even remotely connectable to McCarthy, must be able to weigh in on McCarthy and White while Lord Wallach is occupied playing with T-shirts, no?

    Ah the times. I remember a day when the spur of discussing McCarthy or White would have prompted Lord Wallach into explosions of bright verbiage at the expense of every other outstanding enterprise. Which leads me to another question: Why did he wait until 2014 to formally bring the two together if, in fact, their relationship is so easily discernible?

    True, White, in the U.S., is the UNREAD. Whether or not duly so, someone ought to be able to say, and if unduly, what’s keeping everybody?

    Furthermore, since when has not reading an author prevented Forumites from discoursing about him or her at some length?

    In other words, even if you don’t know why these two towering talents with such alleged similarities are so seldom related in criticism, pretend that you do and let’s keep the ball rolling.

    I know a man named Marty Priola, originator (= genius) of this website and its presiding officer, who could probably venture an opinion. Standing at a nearby railroad station with a lantern last night, I asked around of various detraining passengers, but no one had an answer. As I live quite close to John Coltrane’s house, I’m going there tonight to see whether the ghost of John will guide me on this. So far no one else is……………


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    09 Sep 2014 at 4:22 pm #5845

    Glass
    Member

    Sorry, Peter, not this time. I did a quick Google Scholar search and didn’t come up with much, if anything. I’ve been hoping to see some posts on this thread because I’m curious to see what affinities McCarthy and White might share. Maybe Rick will be able to break away and weigh in soon. Wish I had something to share, even a misreading or two but it’s not to be.


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    09 Sep 2014 at 9:05 pm #5846

    wesmorgan
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    Maybe more of you should read How To Talk About Books You Haven’t Read . It would seem as if it might of be of some help on this thread. But alas, I haven’t read Pierre Bayard’s book either.


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    08 Nov 2014 at 10:05 am #6047

    Peter Josyph
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    Wesley Morgan sent me this about the Sydney conference, McCarthy and Patrick White. I met the author of the article: we toured my exhibition together. Very bright guy and he took copious notes during the talks.

    http://www.watoday.com.au/entertainment/patrick-white-and-cormac-mccarthys-characters-inhabit-hostile-territories-20141031-11e0pt.html


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    08 Nov 2014 at 11:31 pm #6050

    Rick Wallach
    Keymaster

    Well, not quite copious enough to keep from blowing the spelling of Jan Norby Gretlund’s name. I also wish he hadn’t called me “the world’s foremost McCarthy scholar.” My sincere apologies to anyone who might have (justifiably) been offended by that, and I hope everyone appreciates that I never would have arrogated that description for myself.


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    20 Mar 2015 at 10:22 pm #6695

    Peter Josyph
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    Am I to assume, then, that apart from Mr. Gretlund and Mr. Wallach, no one on earth has read well in both White and McCarthy or, if they have, they don’t give a f–k about what Mr. Gretlund an Mr. Wallach see in them as significantly similar?

    I still find it remarkable that if you read this Forum even casually, comparisons with everything under the sun and even over it are made to McCarthy… and here are two of the monumental minds in criticism suggesting that these two authors MUST be read in tandem… and yet… you’all would rather discuss McCarthy and Marilynne Robinson or… McCarthy and anybody and anything else other than Patrick White?

    More attention on this Forum has been devoted to GODZILLA than to Patrick White. And yet a British journalist recently voted his VOSS as one of the hundred greatest novels of all time.

    Is it that White is, somehow, the Hated One?

    Do you all find him utterly unreadable?

    Stand and unfold yourselves! An inquiring mind needs to know…


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