24 Oct 2012 at 9:28 pm #2263
Just read No Country for Old Men and was completely spellbound. I enjoyed the movie as well, as it was pretty close to the book. I was wondering if we will ever see a sequel, despite Moss and wife eliminated, Anton Chigurh remains at large although wounded. Cormac has created one of the best villains ever, would love to see a continuation or perhaps a prequel (Rise of Anton Chigurgh). Thoughts anyone.
eagleclaw76Quote24 Oct 2012 at 10:24 pm #2266
Unlikely. Even though I’m not all that fond of the screenplay, you can see McCarthy expanding upon some of the themes and possibilities out of No Country in The Counselor. I suspect he figures he can take the potential developments of the whole drug war idea in other directions without the baggage of prior work.
25 Oct 2012 at 6:35 pm #2269
Thanks Rick for your thoughts, I guess a follow up would be a monumental task, seems I’ll just have to keep reading what he produces. I recently purchased Blood Meridan, looking forward to devour that.
eagleclaw76Quote25 Oct 2012 at 10:41 pm #2275
I always envy folks who are just about to embark on Blood Meridian for the first time. I can only advise you to fasten your seatbelt. You’re in for one helluva ride.
30 Oct 2012 at 9:40 pm #2280
I discovered the joy of McCarthy only a few weeks ago. I had seen and appreciated No Country for Old Men but hadn’t read any novels until The Crossing. Twenty pages in, I was hooked. After The Crossing, I read Cities on the Plain and I am on the last pages of All the Pretty Horses now. Blood Meridian awaits. After that, although I have seen The Road, I may try it. Those who have seen No Country and read the book, do you still advise reading it after having seen the screen adaptation?
30 Oct 2012 at 9:49 pm #2281
Absolutely. The Coens were extremely judicious and wise, I think, to treat their film as its own animal and not try to mimic the textures of the novel by turning Bell’s monologues into a protracted voiceover or deus ex machina. However, you shouldn’t miss the experience of the crucial half of the novel that those monologues represent. Read it, and savor it thoroughly.
31 Oct 2012 at 8:35 pm #2282
Thanks Rick–will dive into it next
12 Dec 2012 at 9:38 pm #2671
Question: In the book NCFOM, Chigurh shoots at a hawk and misses, while hunting down Llwelyn Moss. In the movie, it’s a raven Chigurh shoots at (and misses). My teenage son, who is developing a strong interest in Mccarthy’s works (he’s reading Blood now) asked me the significance.
12 Dec 2012 at 9:47 pm #2672
Ravens train very well – they’re smarter than parrots and actually can make very loyal, responsive, intelligent pets. I suspect the Coens were merely informed that a trained raven would be a lot easier and more dependable to manage on the set than a hawk, even the best trained of which are very high strung and easily stressed out. I seriously doubt if there’s more to it than hat.
12 Dec 2012 at 9:56 pm #2673
Rick – thanks. Hadn’t thought of that. But what Ben is really driving at is the significance of Chigurh, otherwise a deadeye shot, missing the bird. It brings to mind Moss’s opening scene where he plays the roll of the hunter and misses his quarry. Not sure the reader is supposed to connect the two, but given McCarthy’s skills, hard not to note the data points.
I just can’t connect them.
12 Dec 2012 at 11:28 pm #2674
Martin – oh, I think the connection is very much there to be made – especially since in the runup to Moss’ missing the deer, McCarthy lays on pretty thick what an expert he is with the gun he’s using. I’ve always found that pretty funny, actually.
Another possibility – consider that Chigurh wouldn’t actually kill a raptor, which is so much like he is – as, for example, Tobin remarks to the kid in Blood Meridian that no member of the gang would ever kill a wolf.
13 Dec 2012 at 7:52 am #2675
Rick – thanks. I was trying to follow the raptor -on-raptor angle, but couldn’t take it any further. Your suggestion helps. Ben is beginning to pose challenges in his observations (he already knows more than his old man, just ask him). He was noting the theme of tracking trails of blood in NCFOM, a pretty good observation on his part, I thought.
13 Dec 2012 at 7:04 pm #2679
Interesting ideas. Great to see a Martin Zook post. As for Chigurh and the bird and Moss and the pronghorn, I believe both of these episodes are homologous with Michael (Robert DeNiro) and his one-shot rule in The Deer Hunter, the scaredness of the hunt and that sort of thing. A warrior code or something along those lines. Principles. Michael says, “You have to think about one shot. One shot is what it’s all about.” Michael has a deer in his sights at one point and then raises his rifle and misses the shot on purpose, maybe like Chigurh and the raptor on that bridge in NCFOM. There are other possible connections between these two works such as the coin toss in McCarthy and the Russian Roulette in Deer Hunter. Clem had some insightful ideas about this scene on the old Forum a few years ago. My two cents.
GlassQuote13 Dec 2012 at 8:19 pm #2680
Here’s where Ben and I are at the moment. Much of the plot of NCFOM is the hunt. Moss hunts the deer. Chigurh hunts Moss. Carson hunts Moss and Chigurh. Chigurh hunts Carson. Moss hunts Chigurh. Chigurh continues to hunt Moss. Whole lot of huntin’ goin’ on. Real predatory huntin’, not like around here where two rednecks leaning up against the back end of a pickup are said to be hunting.
For all the hunting that’s going on, there’s not a lot of success, kind of like on the savvanah in Africa where he hunters make multiple unsuccessful strikes before killing their prey, more often than not in a grizzly scene.
But there’s one guy who’s not a hunter. Bell, who is a shepherd.
One of his sheep has done something real stoopid and Bell is trying to get him back in the fold of the community before he becomes figurative lunch in a wilderness ruled by hunters. It’s essentially the same world of Blood, except there is a bell in this world who sees light other than the alien illumination of Blood.
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