Non-McCarthy Miscellany

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  • 21 Dec 2012 at 11:01 am #2708

    I wish you would continue your point, Cantona, because I’m not sure where you want to go with it.  Bad Santa’s funny on one level, quite cynical on another.

    More power to Piers Morgan! He’s one of the very few really speaking out for control of lethal weaponry, for humane common sense. That Larry Pratt guy of Gun Owners of America on Morgan’s show the other night is dangerous. It’s scary that he’s got a lot of gun owners solidly behind him.



    22 Dec 2012 at 11:26 pm #2724


    Bobby Knoxville,

    Sorry for the unintentionally gnomic comments of my last post. I decided not to continue because I began to realize that this might not be the right thread to advance my ideas about exemplary societies and communities. On reflection, and out of respect for this awful tragedy, I should have erased my post.

    I will say, however, that it was partly in reaction to the way the media often create suspect narratives around tragedies, especially American ones.

    If I have time in the next few weeks, I may start a thread about McCarthy and exemplary communities/societies. I think that that would be more fitting.

    For what’s it worth, I was very impressed with your comments on ‘radical individualism’.


    23 Dec 2012 at 4:44 am #2725


    If I have time in the next few weeks, I may start a thread about McCarthy and exemplary communities/societies. I think that that would be more fitting.

    That would be a most interesting topic for discussion. I’m very interested in McCarthy’s sense of community. He seems to lose faith in the concept as his career develops.




    23 Dec 2012 at 10:15 am #2726

    I think your idea on McCarthy and exemplary communities/societies an excellent one, Cantona. I know I’d be much interested in your and any other Forumer’s takes on the topic.

    I started this thread because I felt the need to take an immediate stand on issues that exploded in innocent blood at Newtown. Surprised I was the first Forumer to do so! Guess my anger got the better of my shock!

    It’s dismaying to me  that Obama approved bills allowing the carrying of hand guns in national parks and on Amtrak. I didn’t find this out till recently when NYC Mayor Bloomberg spoke out against it. I voted for Obama, but not nearly as enthusiastically as in 08. The guy has some major lacks, and for me the last election was a choice between a terrible candidate (Romney) and a mediocre one (Obama).

    Since McCarthy doesn’t believe poets should vote (I guess he means poesy poets as well as prosey ones) and his personal and fictional takes on humankind have a good deal of doom in them, I’d guess his insights into community would range from bleak to dismally dark.





    26 Dec 2012 at 1:43 pm #2742

    Candy Minx

    Bob, I don’t know how McCarthy would voice his opinions on community…but


    “For generations, the people of Britain heated their homes and fueled their stoves with coal gas. While plentiful and cheap, coal-derived gas could also be deadly; in its unburned form, it released very high levels of carbon monoxide, and an open valve or a leak in a closed space could induce asphyxiation in a matter of minutes. This extreme toxicity also made it a preferred method of suicide. “Sticking one’s head in the oven” became so common in Britain that by the late 1950s it accounted for some 2,500 suicides a year, almost half the nation’s total.

    Those numbers began dropping over the next decade as the British government embarked on a program to phase out coal gas in favor of the much cleaner natural gas. By the early 1970s, the amount of carbon monoxide running through domestic gas lines had been reduced to nearly zero. During those same years, Britain’s national suicide rate dropped by nearly a third, and it has remained close to that reduced level ever since.”


    I see it as not static. Community as a force, which it is, has the potential to be life-affirming and as well devastating. It kind of depends on catalysts. The thing is…we never seem to be able to see “the big picture” until after event unfold. We make decisions that so often seem like wise ones, but then back fire. I believe there are some interesting facets about community. Not hard rules. It seems that communities often function best when either small, in chiefdoms, for all involved…and a kind of circus mentality of economics. And then an extreme an opposite when it’s not a small group and leader/chief…but when a huge amount of people all have voices and inputs.


    I also think…maybe we could transpose the info we know about suicide attempts and availability to means…with murder…perhaps?



    Which although I am not a believer in legislating gun control…rather I prefer social taboos…making bullets difficult to access avoids the nra bullshit…and may allow “time” to change the behaviour of some murderers…


    “Beyond sheer lethality, however, what makes gun suicide attempts so resistant to traditional psychological suicide-prevention protocols is the high degree of impulsivity that often accompanies them. In a 1985 study of 30 people who had survived self-inflicted gunshot wounds, more than half reported having had suicidal thoughts for less than 24 hours, and none of the 30 had written suicide notes. This tendency toward impulsivity is especially common among young people — and not only with gun suicides. In a 2001University of Houston study of 153 survivors of nearly lethal attempts between the ages of 13 and 34, only 13 percent reported having contemplated their act for eight hours or longer. To the contrary, 70 percent set the interval between deciding to kill themselves and acting at less than an hour, including an astonishing 24 percent who pegged the interval at less than five minutes.

    The element of impulsivity in firearm suicide means that it is a method in which mechanical intervention — or “means restriction” — might work to great effect. As to how, Dr. Matthew Miller, the associate director of the Injury Control Research Center, outlined for me a number of very basic steps. Storing a gun in a lockbox, for example, slows down the decision-making process and puts that gun off-limits to everyone but the possessor of the key. Similarly, studies have shown that merely keeping a gun unloaded and storing its ammunition in a different room significantly reduces the odds of that gun being used in a suicide.

    “The goal is to put more time between the person and his ability to act,” Miller said. “If he has to go down to the basement to get his ammunition or rummage around in his dresser for the key to the gun safe, you’re injecting time and effort into the equation — maybe just a couple of minutes, but in a lot of cases that may be enough.””

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