Whales and Men

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  • 30 Jul 2015 at 12:44 pm #7392

    mother_he
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    Heya – longtime lurker, first-time inquisitor. Was curious to know if any of you fine folks knew if there are any accessible excerpts or transcripts of the supposed abortion called Whales and Men? Have been curious about it for some time, and have seen the odd quotation and summary here and there, but never a whole scene or anything that might help get a feel for why it’s so maligned. If there’s no such luck to be had, I’d be interested to hear impressions from those who have espied this script out in the wild.
    Thanks.
    -jl


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    16 Aug 2015 at 11:04 am #7473

    asoron0424
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    I’m in the same boat as you, really curious but never privy to more than the odd sampling online. My hope — morbid as it sounds — is that we’ll get a posthumous publication.


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    16 Aug 2015 at 2:22 pm #7474

    Mike
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    The play is floating around. Google it.


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    17 Aug 2015 at 12:54 pm #7475

    Ash
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    Can the play be read short of making pilgrimage to the Wittliff Collections?


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    17 Aug 2015 at 2:16 pm #7476

    Rick Wallach
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    1. It’s a screenplay, not a play. It’s tough to get a pod of baleen whales onto a stage, you know?

    2. There are lots of good reasons to go to the Wittliff Collection. Whales and Men is not one of them.

    3. There used to be a couple of links to download zipped copies of the screenplay but I can’t find them now. But there are probably a few available out there. Keep googling.

    4. Yes, it’s every bit as awful as you’ve heard. Maybe some day McCarthy will rewrite it but I wouldn’t bet my 1957 Ferrari Spyder on that.

    5. I could – and have – spent an entire evening listening to Peter Josyph revile Whales and Men. If there’s a more entertaining way to spend one’s time, I haven’t heard of it.


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    18 Aug 2015 at 10:02 pm #7480

    asoron0424
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    Great novelist, good playwright; doesn’t have the best track record with screenplays.

    Rick, have you had a look at the original screenplays for Cities and NCFOM?

    (Also, saw in the Newsweek article you used to work at UM. Nice to know there’s another Miami resident on here!)


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    19 Aug 2015 at 6:41 am #7496

    Rick Wallach
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    I’ve read the one for Cities; it’s very close to the novel. So close, in fact, that it almost feels like all McCarthy did was fill in the descriptive narration between the lines of dialogue. It’s in the archives at the Wittliff Collection at Texas State University in San Marcos. I suppose I’ll finally have a look at the NCFOM version next time I go down there, which will probably be sometime this fall.

    I also think he did a pretty good job with The Gardener’s Son. The thing about screenplays, though, is that they’re unfinished by design. You can write a poor screenplay and a great director can save you; you can write a brilliant one and a bad director can make you look like a schmuck. However, I don’t think that Stanley Kubrick in a rubber Zodiac could have saved Whales and Men.

    I live on the south side of Macondo, near The Falls in deepest darkest Kendall. Thyself?


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    19 Aug 2015 at 1:50 pm #7501

    robmcinroy
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    The screenplay for NCFOM is awful. There’s two drafts. The second ends in a big shoot-em-up in which Bell and Moss work together and kill the baddies, including the prototype Chigurh, complete with cattle gun and compressed air tank. They go off with the money and Bell uses it to open up a clinic.

    Rick, sorry if I’ve spoiled the surprise ending…


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    19 Aug 2015 at 2:25 pm #7502

    mother_he
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    I plumb give out. Can’t find this thing anywhere. No one here has the PDF?
    “I live on the south side of Macondo, near The Falls in deepest darkest Kendall. Thyself?”
    …is this actually a line of dialogue from Whales?


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    19 Aug 2015 at 5:25 pm #7503

    Rick Wallach
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    No, it’s just local geography.


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