What Caused the Apocalypse in The Road?

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  • 13 Jun 2017 at 3:04 am #9591

    Bandolier
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    If you don’t want to share, stop spamming this thread with nonsense. Either discuss the topic or go beg elsewhere. Seriously.


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    13 Jun 2017 at 3:19 am #9593

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    I love you guys. I had paranoid schizophrenia (or “dementia praecox” in Suttree). Read Bulgakov’s The Master and Margarita. Room 117 is where they keep the patients. Now, this shows you how much your research is worth. 😛


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    13 Jun 2017 at 3:20 am #9594

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    I’m having a hard time imagining a scenario where there is a direct continuity between SUTTREE, THE ROAD, and THE PASSENGER.

    McCarthy claims to have never reread one of his own books. Obviously, there are recurring themes and subjects, and I think Ken and others are right in thinking his first five novels conform to some schematic that we’ll likely never be fully clued in on, but this 117 thing is very 2006.

    Out with it or go away.


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    13 Jun 2017 at 3:21 am #9596

    davor123
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    Like I’ve said, that attitude won’t get you anywhere. You should be more carefull in interpreting his books and what I’m saying. Irony is fine, but ignorance and foolishnes is not. I have some other stuff, but because of your attitude I’m not going to tell you.


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    13 Jun 2017 at 8:57 am #9600

    Richard L.
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    117 is the room number in NCFOM, and 1:17 is the where the doomsday clock stopped in THE ROAD. I made the argument that they were connected way back when–in my review concurrent to the first publication of THE ROAD–at Amazon, if I recall, which was then made the spotlight review there.

    At the time, we connected 1:17 with the book and verse of the Bible mentioned by Bell in the text, and we had a nice time of it. Enough buzz was raised that the word got to Oprah, or her staff, and Oprah asked Cormac McCarthy about it. He said it was just a number that happened to occur to him.

    As an old 117 man, I must say that the evidence for it in Bulgakov’s classic The Master and Margarita is mighty thin. It is indeed the room where Ivanushka stays, mentioned three times, but the death happens in room 118.

    Again, I don’t think that there are ties to these numbers that will make any synchronous sense without stringing an argument to go along with it, which is no more or less true than all the other arguments, merely a particular string to lay in the maze.


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    13 Jun 2017 at 9:49 am #9601

    davor123
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    Yes, but your arguments don’t explain schizophrenia which is a reccuring theme. Or, for example, C. Diaz’s hood from The Counselor like the one in the procurator scene, and many other things which I won’t go into here.


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    13 Jun 2017 at 11:20 am #9606

    Toni
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    . . .you guys, I got so many cool G. I. Joes, and I’m not gonna
    let any of you play with them.


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    13 Jun 2017 at 12:18 pm #9607

    Richard L.
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    Re: “Yes, but your arguments don’t explain schizophrenia which is a reccuring theme. Or, for example, C. Diaz’s hood from The Counselor like the one in the procurator scene, and many other things which I won’t go into here.”

    davor123, all of capitalism is schizophrenic, just as all of anti-capitalism is paranoic. There’s plenty to go around. But let’s be clear here.

    I think what you’re driving at is an interpretation of some McCarthy symbolism in light of that in Bulgakov’s The Master and Margarita. We’ve mentioned the possibility, along with that of Mark Twain’s “The Mysterious Stranger,” the dark stranger/master and the cat, which has long been symbolic in Joseph Conrad and other classics. Although we’ve discussed it, there has never been a monograph or even an article published on it, and as I said earlier, if you will approach the right editor/scholar, you might get the right guidance to make it valuable and to get it published.

    As for compensation, no. Scholarship has to be its own reward.


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    13 Jun 2017 at 5:43 pm #9610

    Richard L.
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    You didn’t say if 117 appears in THE PASSENGER, so I’ll assume you don’t know. Whatever you do, don’t quote passages of the unpublished novel here.

    Like any number, 117 does have its odd moments. I ran into it recently in Janine Burke’s The Sphinx on the Table: Sigmund Freud’s Art Collection and the Development of Psychoanalysis, which McCarthy might like for its examination of Freud’s mythical/mystical side. Freud lived at 117 Schlossgasse in Freiberg.

    McCarthy, the Tennessean, might like 117 because it is the atomic number for the element Tennessine.

    F-117 was the designation for the first stealth fighter, often mistaken in the early days for a UFO.

    In the novel, THE MYSTERY OF ELEMENT 117 by Milton Smith (1949), a window is opened into a new dimension containing those who have already died on earth. Something like the Bardo.

    Heck, this stuff is not hard to find, thanks to Google and Wikipedia. Amusing.


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    13 Jun 2017 at 11:55 pm #9612

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